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[kaalchakrasamay]

@ DSM

Will you please reply for the following points.

1. How you define tolerance or what is tolerance.
2. How you define intolerance or what is intolerance.
3. What make you feel that we were tolerant previously. Please give some examples of our tolerance.
4. What make you feel that we became intolerant now. Please give some examples of our intolerance.
5. Since when you feel that we became intolerant. Posting year will do.
6. In your opinion, what are the reasons that we became intolerant (as you think so).

 

[DSM]

Kaalchakrasamay,

Respect for people to live their lives as they wish as long as it does not physically hurt or harm another is tolerance. And we can leave asides religious beliefs as much harm in the world is done - only in the name of God. Is it any surprise that the west is moving towards atheism?

Rest of the questions are irrelavant in my view. Thankfully you stopped at 6 only, instead of adding another 30, 70 or 110. The point I am making is simple.... are we so weak as a society to be intolerant of freedom of speech? Criticize govt. and get booked for sedition. Aseem Trivedi, S Kovan. Some people have paid for their lives as well.... Dhabolkar, Kulbargi, Pansare..... Surely this cannot be accepted in democratic India.... or else it does not matter?

@ DSM

Will you please reply for the following points.

1. How you define tolerance or what is tolerance.
2. How you define intolerance or what is intolerance.
3. What make you feel that we were tolerant previously. Please give some examples of our tolerance.
4. What make you feel that we became intolerant now. Please give some examples of our intolerance.
5. Since when you feel that we became intolerant. Posting year will do.
6. In your opinion, what are the reasons that we became intolerant (as you think so).

 

[TradeJoker]

Is it any surprise that the west is moving towards atheism?

Even in india the science is developing too fast,all the myths are fading into dark.but some religious leaders even politicians still want to create an illusion that god created this universe and he is controlling it,
I will request only thing to all god men who are mediators of god, go to poorest African countries and give food with your magic powers or ask god to help them

 

[kaalchakrasamay]

Kaalchakrasamay,

Respect for people to live their lives as they wish as long as it does not physically hurt or harm another is tolerance. And we can leave asides religious beliefs as much harm in the world is done - only in the name of God. Is it any surprise that the west is moving towards atheism?

Rest of the questions are irrelavant in my view. Thankfully you stopped at 6 only, instead of adding another 30, 70 or 110. The point I am making is simple.... are we so weak as a society to be intolerant of freedom of speech? Criticize govt. and get booked for sedition. Aseem Trivedi, S Kovan. Some people have paid for their lives as well.... Dhabolkar, Kulbargi, Pansare..... Surely this cannot be accepted in democratic India.... or else it does not matter?

No, other questions are more relevant than these definitions.

Let me cite an example.
If someone slaps me (for no reason, now dont say that why one will slap for no reason) (or say that I said something on his being wrong while driving on the road). Then if I keep quiet then it is tolerance and if I too slap him, then it will be intolerance. In your view this is intolerance. right naa !!!

Gandhi said, koi ek gaal pe thappad maare to doosra gaal bhi aagey ker do, but he didnt add that, ki voh agar doosre gaal pe bhi thappad maar de to kya karo.

Why go for politics or religion or something else, I can cite you many examples (of provocation and tolerance etc) in the forum itself

The freedom of speech has to end/limit somewhere, must have some limitations (false allegations cant be allowed as freedom of speech), you cant allow provocation in the name of freedom of speech (there is very thin line) and cant preach other side be tolerant. Nahi to intolerance hi hoga.

 

[XRAY27]

At one time I would be looking forward to hear the speeches of Modi. It used to be of a vision, change, optimism and transformation. These days, the speeches are nothing but cleverly made of acronyms and slogans.... and worse, the election speeches (and even the overseas tours) sound like a recorded mike got stuck in the past.... of congress corruption, jibes at political rivals, name calling and talking down the opposition..... (Grand Alliance was called - 3 idiots by Modi) So when I hear Modi speak these days, the first thing I do is look for the remote..... Seems BJP/NDA have missed to capitalize on the opportunity given to them on the platter. Sad indeed.

It would have been on ''platter' if they had majority in upper house too, land reform, gst... they cannot pass it without oppositions support and they are in no mood to do so. So unless BJP wins in bihar (which seems to be less likely) its gng to be a slow train of progress.
Government failed in keeping check on prices of important things like dal, onions and some heads should definitely roll.

Regarding award wapsi .. i seriously welcome these... kamse kum sarkar ka khajana to bharega, govn should also charge interest on the reward money :lol::lol:

On a serious note.. these are the same ppl that ran campaign against Modi before he was elected as PM so their award wapsi doesnt have any credibility. Most of them are above 60 and their opinions are based on whats being shown on news channels rather than whats happening on ground and i dont think we need to discuss how much crap, biased news these channels show.

Last year BJP was blamed for mujjafarnagar when it was in neither in center or state, kalburgi was murdered in congress rules state but those writers blame center, dabholkar was murdered when congress was in rule but none of these ppl thought of running a campain !!

Politicians and paid, bhand media or prestitutes are creating such negativity that it will indeed result in more and more division between the communities and then who will be blamed ? ofcourse bjp.. and our ppl will vote for pappu party again, then even if thousands of ppl die in communal violance there will be no award wapsi as secular parties will be ruling.

"The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting"___Charles Bukowski

Modi is the man of vision,just see the team he selected for ministries,from arun jaitley to... :lol: ...nothing will work...

what he lacks ?? conversion of his vision to action..study canada elections,or england same story ,coming to so called award wapsi,these fellows are very tolerant for communal violence and corruption :annoyed: just one incident his inner voice rises to this level just it is drama :lol:

Leaders comes from masses and masses are jahil..so we can see a raj kumar or a dialogue writers...

 

[nirav_j]

While the rationalists do the society a big service in their fight against religious superstitions, there is simply no justification in them saying blasphemous stuff about religions or sacred things.

One must wonder what such commentary serves the society.

Freedom of speech doesnt mean that one should rile up people/massess needlessly .. its unfortunate that it gets taken for granted.
in fact i expect a self declared rationalist to actually be rational in making such blasphemous commentary.

 

[DSM]

Nirav,

Just assume what you have posted is not true... If what you have read, maybe flammed..... Suggest edit your post.

While the rationalists do the society a big service in their fight against religious superstitions, there is simply no justification in them saying blasphemous stuff about religions or sacred things.

 

[nirav_j]

Dear DSM,

I didn't mean to inflame passions or create trouble.

A quick Google will reveal more.

I used it as an example to show the extreme positions rationalist take and then use the 'freedom of speech' to get away with it.

I do not in anyway support the violence against him nor condone it.

 

[TradeJoker]

I wonder what happen if the old 70s Bollywood song 'dam maro dam' release these times

 

[nirav_j]

I wonder what happen if the old 70s Bollywood song 'dam maro dam' release these times

There will be a petition on change.org - legalize marijuana in India.

And there will be a 4 hour debate on ndtv.
Growing communalism in bollywood @ hare Krishna hare Ram.