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[TradeJoker]

There will be a petition on change.org - legalize marijuana in India.

And there will be a 4 hour debate on ndtv.
Growing communalism in bollywood @ hare Krishna hare Ram.

Many scripts r there the relation of lord shiva and marijuana

 

[nirav_j]

Many scripts r there the relation of lord shiva and marijuana

Say har har mahadev and gulp the prashad down @ mahashivratri @ a nearby temple.

 

[Vertigo_1985]

Vertigo,

My thinking is clear. Before passing judgement, I put myself in the place of the victim..... and then proceed to think from there. Recently there was a debate about migrants influx into Germany. Rights, wrong, and logic aside, I put myself in the place of the father of Alain Kurdi, who fled fighting from his place in Syria, then had to flee another place in Syria, then to Turkey. He was looking for a safe/better life for his family. What would I do in his place? We need to stop rationalizing, and if we were to experience the same as the victim of Dadri, or the courage of the person speaking against the might or brute force of majority, our thinking would be different. A person no less than the President of India is raising his concern. Raghuram Rajan, has spoken. So will he be branded a 'sickular'? Does he not as an Indian citizen has the right to speak on matter that impacts the country? Subramaniam Swami has already called for his dismissal. So what next? Speak as per your conscience, and be branded an 'Anti-national'? or a 'Paki' or termed 'sickular' or whatever? Or do we want to be a country who has only one right thought or way of thinking, and dissidence wrong? I repeat, it happens in Saudi, N.Korea, Syria etc. And not in a democracy.... The govt. of the day will be
wise to heed warning of calls from people who have courage to speak out, instead of being arrogant and castigating them....

Dear DSM,
I am surprised by your reaction, you are reacting based on emotions not facts or logic, thats quite unlike you.

Please have a relook at my post and answer based on facts and logic.

 

[Somatung]

Here just some information, not at all perfect and still very informative:

- Why don't refugees go to other muslim countries? Why do the want to come to Europe?: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/...k08&p=+Why do refugees want to come to Europe

- Why isn't the U.S. accepting refugees and helping out with the migrant crisis in Europe?: https://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-the-...helping-out-with-the-migrant-crisis-in-Europe

Not to forget about this country which has laws from houndert's of years back and want's his religion seen all over the world, but is the best friend of the US and called as an other "Democracy" in the world

- Refugee Crisis: Richard Dawkins Slams Saudi Arabia's Offer To Build 200 Mosques In Germany: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...audi-arabia-mosques-in-germany_n_8115492.html

- The refugee crisis: 9 questions you were too embarrassed to ask: http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9290985/refugee-crisis-europe-syrian

All the above is just information given to public and non of us knows what the real "Power fulls" and "Big money" is planing and doing secretly, as there is no interest to let us normal beings knowing any thing about what is going on in dept.

It surely is not about any religion, as even ISIS has nothing to do with any religion like Al Q had nothing to do with it. ISIS is just a new name which replaces the old one which was financed like the new avatar for what ever reasons from the once who can do it. Who are they:

 

[DSM]

My dear friend,

We can make many assumptions and arguments and raise questions of if, then etc... these will be never ending. All that I am saying is in plain and simple terms irrespective of the players involved (be it majority or minority) :

1. Does disagreement have to result in murders?
2. Does the fringe have to inflame passions further?
3. Why does BJP leadership keep quite - though the PM is socially active on Twitter and media? Even a condemnation would have done.... but the fringe spoke for the BJP....

Looks like the RSS has the remote, (while during the UPA it was with Sonia)

Now think a person of the eminence of Narayan Murthy (can anyone accuse him of bias?) RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan and even the President Pranab Mukherjee All three speaking today and making statements against rising intolerance in the country is surely not a case for concern?

To label a debate or protest against the govt. as being 'sikular' (whatever that means) or to tell that the people who protest 'need to get well' or have a bias or agenda is to say that whatever we do or say is right.... and we are not open to criticism.

The fact is that people who criticize need to be heard. As insight can be had from them, rather than to listen to people who agree with you.... And finally, material development without freedom is soul-less......

Dear DSM,
I am surprised by your reaction, you are reacting based on emotions not facts or logic, thats quite unlike you.

Please have a relook at my post and answer based on facts and logic.

 

[bpr]

BPR,

Re. If they do that they will thrown out of power next election after all it is democracy. My question : Is this what is not happening anyway? Mostly govts. have 1-2 or 3 terms max. And then they are thrown out.

Democracy, is after all imperfect system. It is a collective consensus of the people. In India, many vote basis sentiments, caste factors etc. So in the end, people deserve what they get, or the govt. they elect.

And we have to remember, an imperfect democracy, is still preferable to absolute power as history has repeatedly proven. It is not the lack majority, but the lack of democratic spirit that ails the country. Watching a debate in the House of commons, or the US senate, will give an idea of how our system functions as compared to the US and UK who have a similar system. So instead of blaming the system the govt. needs to look at its own way of functioning and avoid confrontation and take to co-operation and build consensus to move the country ahead. Presently it is just the opposite, with the ruling party as well as the opposition wanting to score petty points over each other.... But hey, here ego rules, and who cares for things for other than agenda?

DSM
you are missing my point and dragging it into something else.
I am not talking about absolute power,King and Monarchy.

BJP got 50 % seat this election democratically and still not able to pass reforms because of the system.

Tomorrow xyz party will win more than 50 % seat and still not be able to deliver because of the system

we will still remain where we are the whole world will bypass us...

 

[TradeJoker]

Now narayan murthy is on radar after his comment

 

[DSM]

Quote : Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me....

Now narayan murthy is on radar after his comment

 

[vijayanscbe]

No, other questions are more relevant than these definitions.

Let me cite an example.
If someone slaps me (for no reason, now dont say that why one will slap for no reason) (or say that I said something on his being wrong while driving on the road). Then if I keep quiet then it is tolerance and if I too slap him, then it will be intolerance. In your view this is intolerance. right naa !!!

Gandhi said, koi ek gaal pe thappad maare to doosra gaal bhi aagey ker do, but he didnt add that, ki voh agar doosre gaal pe bhi thappad maar de to kya karo.

Why go for politics or religion or something else, I can cite you many examples (of provocation and tolerance etc) in the forum itself

If some bald guy slaps me on the road, due to some reason I did not react (not the same, slap like him, can file a case, expressing the anger in words etc) him means , I am a coward and have no courage to maintain my self-respect.

But if I slaps another bald guy as a revenge, in my secured circumference then it is intolerance.
If I have no revenge feeling while seeing another bald guy means then it is tolerence.
This is not a joke.

The freedom of speech has to end/limit somewhere, must have some limitations (false allegations cant be allowed as freedom of speech), you cant allow provocation in the name of freedom of speech (there is very thin line) and cant preach other side be tolerant. Nahi to intolerance hi hoga.

what is the difference between DOUBT and FALSE ALLEGATIONS

Politicians
" If any one rise doubt my activity, People should decline that as False Allegation . But if I alledged anybody ,even it is false , People should understand that I am doing that for their GOOD "

In demacracy People are kings and their representatives are their servants.
If people dont behave like kings and their servants behave like Leaders.

 

[Vertigo_1985]

My dear friend,

We can make many assumptions and arguments and raise questions of if, then etc... these will be never ending. All that I am saying is in plain and simple terms irrespective of the players involved (be it majority or minority) :

1. Does disagreement have to result in murders?
2. Does the fringe have to inflame passions further?
3. Why does BJP leadership keep quite - though the PM is socially active on Twitter and media? Even a condemnation would have done.... but the fringe spoke for the BJP....

Looks like the RSS has the remote, (while during the UPA it was with Sonia)

Now think a person of the eminence of Narayan Murthy (can anyone accuse him of bias?) RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan and even the President Pranab Mukherjee All three speaking today and making statements against rising intolerance in the country is surely not a case for concern?

To label a debate or protest against the govt. as being 'sikular' (whatever that means) or to tell that the people who protest 'need to get well' or have a bias or agenda is to say that whatever we do or say is right.... and we are not open to criticism.

The fact is that people who criticize need to be heard. As insight can be had from them, rather than to listen to people who agree with you.... And finally, material development without freedom is soul-less......

Dear DSM,
Please dont mind but you are still not trying to understand what we are trying to say as you have already made it us vs they
your questions ...
1.Does disagreement have to result in murders? - Absolutely not. This question itself is disappointing as even after so many posts from us you are assuming that we would support any such thing.
2. Does the fringe have to inflame passions further? - NO, but its definitely not like if you or me say no they wont do it, they will do it untill there are people following them.
3. Why does BJP leadership keep quite - though the PM is socially active on Twitter and media? Even a condemnation would have done.... but the fringe spoke for the BJP.... Thing is if 1 out of 10 ppl say anything negative you will focus on that only ignoring 9 others who say positively.
I am asking you - What rajnath singh said ?
what amit shah said ?
what bjp spokesperson sambit patra said ?
what local mp said ?
i can list many many more but whats the point as you are only focusing on few like sakshi maharaj ?

And i still hvnt got answer to my question .. this incident happened in up, kalburgi was killed in congress govn state n dabholkar too.. then why protest against Modi ?? maybe modi should take charge even of state police or maybe he is responsible even for what happened before he came to power ?

And if you are talking about intolerance how about these protesters.. did they approach the govn ? did they try to do anything constructive ? you only tell me now.. who is the intolerant one ?

And as the incident started after drinking why am i not hearing anything against drinking ? if religious intolerance was one of the cause drinking was too.. then why not raise voice against drinking ?

And actually i dont understand what this shouting intolerance, intolerance will actually help in. I dont hear anyone giving any constructive suggestion on what should be done. All this fear, fear and the selective secularism is only leading to more division but sadly our so called secular people dont realize it.