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XRAY27

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Xray Bhai, PK deals with those who sell our religious belief,it's true that there are ppl from other religions too doing the same, The message of the movie is good, especially in india,those who are in villages still exploited by god men,
Bhai,

There are God man in every religion but he cannot make a movie on those man's...can is make any movie on them and say they are not tolerant..:D :D
,good discussion on ABP channel and perfect reply...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EvibqHxT9c&feature=youtu.be
 

vikas2131

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Vertigo,

If we say we are a tolerant nation, we have to let people speak their minds without fear. Criticism should not be taken as a personal affront, unless the ego is weak or we are insecure. How many times have BJP fringe spewed venomous rant? Too many to count. And all this while the top BJP leaders remained silent. Oh yes, once they did get called in and got a tap on the knuckles.

What makes India great, is that we are a democracy. It is only in places like North Korea, or Turkmenistan that there cannot be any criticism of 'great leader' or such. Come to think of it, is there no wrong happening in the country? Atrocities against dalits, communal incidents, corruption etc are realities. If one says (irrespective of the fact that it is true or not) that intolerance is increasing, it cannot be seen as criticism of the country, but it is made to seem so. Rather one can accept the fact that person X has the freedom to express his or her views, even if it does not agree with yours. But that is great. We are all not similar in thought, only robots or people living in absolute dictatorship would make a case (atleast publicly) that they all have similar thinking.

And it is amusing to see BJP spokespersons saying that the country is being 'insulted' when one makes a statement. That I felt happened when Modi went abroad and washed dirty linen in foreign soil - repeatedly. Somebody forgot to mention to him that election got over, and it was time to get the country together and work on promised development and remove the ills that afflict us.

And just to add, people have the same right as Amir Khan (as he said) to speak their mind. It would be a sad day indeed if people lived in fear of political leaders or reprisals from thuggish elements.

Oscar Wilde had said this : I may disagree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to speak. And the great Benjamin Franklin had this to say : When freedom of expression is taken away, society is destroyed and tyranny is erected on its ruins.

My 2C.
I have noticed that u are always anti bjp...personally could care less bec according to me politicians are bane for this country but ur habit of seeing half truth is really bad... venom is spewed not just by bjp but by everybody..
wonder y cnt ya see it...

Another thing i dnt get ,is generalization ..these are same people when they asked about isis..they particularity like to mention to islam is a religion of peace and that we should not talk about it bec they are not true muslims...aamir himself said the same thing but on the other hand ..u r generalizing the whole india intolerant...Is this not contradictory ????
 

TradeJoker

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Bhai,

There are God man in every religion but he cannot make a movie on those man's...can is make any movie on them and say they are not tolerant..:D :D
,good discussion on ABP channel and perfect reply...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EvibqHxT9c&feature=youtu.be
There are many hindu social reformers in india,Sree narayana guru is one of them, he was against the total traditional religious view,Swami vivekanada said kerala is lunatic asylum after watching caste system,
 
It's ok to speak one's mind, but when a celebrity does so in public, he/she is not merely looking for expression, he/she may also be looking forward to influencing the fans i.e. using the celebrity status to mould opinions.
 

XRAY27

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There are many hindu social reformers in india,Sree narayana guru is one of them, he was against the total traditional religious view,Swami vivekanada said kerala is lunatic asylum after watching caste system,
Why don't he question his own religion ??? i know Hinduism and about there reformers ,...answer to this is taslima nasrin..reply ;)
 

DSM

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Vikas,

You say I am anti-BJP. I don't believe I am, but won't give the reasons to say I am not.

Just like many crores of people, I had great hopes on Modi, but feel that he is letting a golden opportunity go to waste. Either that or else he does not have a free hand from dictates of RSS. (It is believe that a section of RSS wanted BJP to lose Bihar, as Modi was getting too strong) And you are right, politicians are self serving, and the bane of the country.

I guess from you screen name that you are relatively new to TJ. I have posted often that the corrupt congress deserved to be kicked off in elections, and I am glad that they were. Rahul Gandhi is still clueless to lead the congress, let alone the country.

As to Amir Khan's other comments - it pertains to religion, and I don't comment on the subject.

Amir Khan has had the guts to speak out - though his movie to be released (Dangal) may be hit by a social boycott or vandalism - Just as Faana was not allowed to be screened in Gujarat (because he commented on social impact of the Narmada dam) So kudos to Amir Khan on having the courage to do what he did. It is my view that celebrities and people of stature have the moral obligation to the country to speak on issues that matter, though only a few will have the spine to do it.

My 2C.

I have noticed that u are always anti bjp...personally could care less bec according to me politicians are bane for this country but ur habit of seeing half truth is really bad... venom is spewed not just by bjp but by everybody..
wonder y cnt ya see it...

Another thing i dnt get ,is generalization ..these are same people when they asked about isis..they particularity like to mention to islam is a religion of peace and that we should not talk about it bec they are not true muslims...aamir himself said the same thing but on the other hand ..u r generalizing the whole india intolerant...Is this not contradictory ????
 

TradeJoker

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Why don't he question his own religion ??? i know Hinduism and about there reformers ,...answer to this is taslima nasrin..reply ;)
There are false belief in every religion, some of the Islamic groups want their own world,all non Muslims are enemies for them.and there are some christian group converting ppl to christianity.
Once British colonies was there in every continent, it was British's falls belief, that they wud rule the entire world, but now the entire western world is living in fear of terrorism
 

vikas2131

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Vikas,

You say I am anti-BJP. I don't believe I am, but won't give the reasons to say I am not.

Just like many crores of people, I had great hopes on Modi, but feel that he is letting a golden opportunity go to waste. Either that or else he does not have a free hand from dictates of RSS. (It is believe that a section of RSS wanted BJP to lose Bihar, as Modi was getting too strong) And you are right, politicians are self serving, and the bane of the country.

I guess from you screen name that you are relatively new to TJ. I have posted often that the corrupt congress deserved to be kicked off in elections, and I am glad that they were. Rahul Gandhi is still clueless to lead the congress, let alone the country.

As to Amir Khan's other comments - it pertains to religion, and I don't comment on the subject.

Amir Khan has had the guts to speak out - though his movie to be released (Dangal) may be hit by a social boycott or vandalism - Just as Faana was not allowed to be screened in Gujarat (because he commented on social impact of the Narmada dam) So kudos to Amir Khan on having the courage to do what he did. It is my view that celebrities and people of stature have the moral obligation to the country to speak on issues that matter, though only a few will have the spine to do it.

My 2C.
his movie will release next year on Christmas..nothing is going to happen..

Regarding narmada bacho andolan, Medha Patkar was involved in it and there were some emails leaked from her personal email account in which it could seen she was being funded from outside to stop that may be aamir bore the burnt of that..

Regarding dams ..India is totally screwed in that area because of slit issue ...Bunch of idiots we have in government who cnt solve this issue which is very serious..
 

vikas2131

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There are false belief in every religion, some of the Islamic groups want their own world,all non Muslims are enemies for them.and there are some christian group converting ppl to christianity.
Once British colonies was there in every continent, it was British's falls belief, that they wud rule the entire world, but now the entire western world is living in fear of terrorism
christan conversion is serious issue in india .especially in south... this is bound to blow up sooner or later which is going to create great deal of controversy..
 

Vertigo_1985

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It's ok to speak one's mind, but when a celebrity does so in public, he/she is not merely looking for expression, he/she may also be looking forward to influencing the fans i.e. using the celebrity status to mould opinions.
Agree.

@DSM, IMHO n all due respect you are seeing everything with a biased view and not ready to consider alternate perspectives. Isnt it a possibility that ur previous fear about modi are clouding ur judgement ??

Freedom of speech comes with great responsibility esp for public figures like actors who have mass following but sadly ppl want to enjoy their freedom without being responsible for the consequences that comes with it.

"If u tell a big enough lie And tell it frequently enough it will be believed" .. these ppl hv vitiated the atmosphere of our nation. Tellme what is the result of all this been? Was minority community feeling safer before all this or feeling safer now? Has hatred among the different communities fallen or risen?

And again.. please dont believe me or anyone else but do one thing ..please shut down tv, papers, social sites for few days n share your experience abt intolerance but if nothing such comes then please realize d difference between whats reality n wats projected for personal gains.

We have a martyr whoz kids also wants to serve the nation and bcoz of heroes like these that our nation is still standing. On the other hand we have aamir khan thinking of leaving country bcoz atmosphere isnt safe, maybe that was just a non serious comment from his wife but doesnt he have brain to think abt what affect his statements wud have? Wat example he is setting? If there is some difficulty in our country u run away n settle in some odr ?? Waah re deshbhakt.. im sure he would never do dat n dats why saying why such stupid statement??

And lastly.. have said it before also.. ppl say India is dirty, india is corrupt, india is intolerant.. thats unacceptable.. there r corrupt ppl, intolerant ppl but plz dont bring "INDIA" whole nation into it, dont know abt ppl who say such things.. maybe they are corrupt, intolerant, their family, frnds must also be like that as they are so sure of the country but i am for sure not like that so plz dont use INDIA if u cant respect it.