Going With The 60min Flow!!!

Which Futures do u all trade with real Money?

  • MiniNifty

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    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • JP asso

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BINGO..!!
i was thinking of the same solution while going through the discussions...
(so, in effect, one may be doing ADD2 and skipping ADD1 in process... if a new stop does not come before ADD1)

BUT, IT'S SUBJECTIVE & ABSOLUTELY AGAINST THIS SYSTEM SETUP...
tsunil,

My understanding is that the system gives you an opportunity to add at various points, System does compel you to add. I may not have funds. Where I do add from? System is an abstract entity.

Every day system gives opportunity to enter various trades of 1000 stocks. Just because you donot participate in all trades doesnot mean you are against the system setup.

Hence nothing is against the system.

vps
 
Saint,
Aah.......what a relief. A mere Thank you is not enough to convey my gratitude...and sadly I dont know to put all those smilys like Czar does.
Nonetheless, a Big Thank You for your patience and guidance.:):):)

Thanks,
Rakesh
Most welcome,Rakesh!

Saint
 
BINGO..!!
i was thinking of the same solution while going through the discussions...
(so, in effect, one may be doing ADD2 and skipping ADD1 in process... if a new stop does not come before ADD1)

BUT, IT'S SUBJECTIVE & ABSOLUTELY AGAINST THIS SYSTEM SETUP...
So skipping the add 1 and taking add 2 not on break of PH but as soon as new PL is formed ?

:)
 
My first trade(nifty short) through this thread is giving me unbelievable profit ..
I am thankful to all the members esply Saint, Czar, M4U, niftychance,satya, ...the list is endless
thanks to all .... :D
Great to hear that,Komal....Well done and great going!

Saint
 
Thanks kapil123,

But I think the news is leading for us to go for a Gap Down tomorrow. Also Dow is going to atleast 200 points gap down. Was it wise to hold a long overnight position? What you think.

Today after 3:10pm one of the famous broker called me to close all longs and told me to short nifty. They called me becasue I am new to that famous firm and it was part of their program to guide for new comers. BUT I NEVER MIND SUCH ADVISES.... :)

WRITTEN THIS JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE ONLY.

I am also long holding 4100 Calls.

Thanks,
Hari.
Ah,Hari....if a long is triggerred,then it is triggerred.Going with the Flow is what we are all about,we do our best to stay away from anticipating it.

Welcome to Traderji,if I have not already done so.....wishing you all the best!

Saint
 
Thanks Czar .... i did not post due to it may create confusion


I have deviated from Saint and did the following ....and prepared if today GAP up then will apply 5 min rule otherwise ok... i was waiting to high to break in my chart ( Though did not used Filter indiscplined me :eek::eek:) it was showing 4083 so once crossed then gone long

Yes i know i may be doing seriously wrong going against my teacher but i was not convinced at that time to use 30 min pivot....

so requesting Saint to please teach us when to use 30 min pivot when not
and member we should discus about this if not in this thread then in other thread " Question of 60 min flow ......."


( This chart prepared yesterday but did not post )


Regards
Satya
hi Satya,

Had the same doubt about using of 30 min pivots. Saint had answered some examples i had asked sometime before.

these two answers from Saint could clear some of ur doubts.

http://www.traderji.com/equities/21903-going-60min-flow-280.html#post211487

http://www.traderji.com/equities/21903-going-60min-flow-280.html#post211483.

yesterday 30min pivot was used, though was very small, mainly because on 12/9 there was a good down move and yesterday was a BIG gap down and then the down move.30 min pivot gave us the best hing point to turn around our direction of flow.

regards.
 
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MMM dont know why Saint said +15, hes managing too many things at once I think.
I added at 24....

MJ-
Yep,juggling too many things,MJ.....not a big deal though,but posting them all in the forum is a bit of a task.

Yep on the adds...

Saint
 

rkripal

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:):):)...if only someone can drill it down my head...that how should I add when my stops remain where they were at time of taking the initial position.....without 'anticipating' and without 'dangerously increasing' my overall risk in a position.

If anyone has an answer, please do provide.

Thanks,
Rakesh

For safety, we can add after stop of our original position is in profit.

e.g. if we are long at 100 currnt stop is 98, we dont take add at 102, but thn we move our stop to a higher low at 101 and there is an opportunity at 103, this time we take tht add.

please point out mistake
kripal
 
Originally Posted by rakeshluthra430
Extremely sorry for bringing this issue again....my nemisis, the Position Size.
Yes..you had explained it logically this Sunday and I seemed to get it...but i think im again confused.

See...we took 2 lots yesterday...at a risk of 120 per lot....now even if we buy 1 lot...we will be assuming more risk, as the stops are exactly where they were yesterday..on our original position. So basically we are risking 1.5% instead of 1% that we should be doing.

I am sure I am missing something important....wat is it, I dont know.

Kindly help in your spare time.

Sorry for bothering again,
Rakesh

ps: by lots i mean the basic unit...it may be 50 for some...200 for others. the idea is of risking a certain % of cap and buying/selling accordingly.
Rakesh,

Excellent question as always........

I had seen that,and you are not wrong in your Math.

Presuming we are having the same capital,and 1% is your risk....First Buy is at 4062.We did our Math and could take on about 82 shares,so we buy 1 lot NF.Add 1 more at 4024.......your risk is still 1% of your capital.

Presuming you took on slightly more risk yesterday--you took on 2 lots at 4062.If you add another 2 lots at 4024,you are assuming 2% risk to your capital.If you add 1 lot at 4024,still you are at 1.5% risk.Now you will have to assess the Risk percentage acceptable to you.........some might take on 2%,others 1.5%,others 1%.........

Case scenario 1:Mr A has a range of percentage,not a point.Meaning he takes on Risk of 1% and would like to keep it thereabouts,but even if on an add it rises to 1.5%,he would go for it.That is,initial positions are 1%,adds are equal to less only,he would like things to remain at 1%,but understands that circumstances may exist(like a gap),that may push the percentage out of 1%.He is prepared to take up to 1.5% but that's about it........anything more is sacrilege.......My strategy is like Mr A.

Case scenario 2:Mr B has a risk percentage of 1%,he buys it at 4062 using his 1%...........the question is:How does he then add at 4024?


Both Mr A and Mr B are faced with a dilemma at 4024............Now both A and B are going to find it difficult.A buys 2 lots at 4062,B buys 2 lots at 4062.......4024 ADD 1 opportunity comes along.....A would like to buy 2 lots,which would send his Risk up to 2%.He doesn't mind up to 1.5%,but not 2%......B has the same dilemma but he is not happy with 1 lot either as 1.5% is not in line with his Plan either.

So,B has to give up on both lots opportunity,and A has to give up one lot.................Here's what I did today:A buy at 4024 was juicy.But that would send my Risk up to 2%,bought 2 lots nevertheless........with a close watch on pivots.Risk 2%........by the latter part of the day,we have managed to bring our stops to 3980.Means our risk is back down to 1.2%.

If that had not happened,would have removed 1 lot at the end of the day,been happy with a good DayTrade,and holding 1.5% risk overnight.

Now,for you,you are willing to take on only 1% .........you have 2 choices.Either do what I did and if the move did not take place,exit both lots and you are back at 1% risk..........If the move does take place,you are raising stops and all is well...............Other way out is to not add there.

At the end of the day,you should take on only as much risk that can be handled by you..............


All the best!
Saint
 
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