Zerodha - Number One Discount Broker in India

sorry to interfere ravi bhai, i don't have knowledge of options but what i read and understood is that zerodha mentioned that the funds received by option writer as premium is allowed as available funds for taking additional positions and traders use it to write more and more options with that availability of funds and put brokers at risk.Is this possible ??
Hi tradetolearn,
I do not know what Zerodha is saying. They are trying to confuse the issue as they are on a weak wicket in this case.
I can only explain what Zerodha is doing currently and how it hurts option writers. Basically they want to eat the cake and have it too.
They give funds availability with Margin in the back office and also under surveillance-RMS-Clients margin. In addition they also send e-mail at the end of the day about available margin.
In all these three documents, Margin availability is based on (Clients funds +premium received for writing options)-( Span margin +exposure margin). This clearly means that they allow Funds received for writing premium towards available margin.
Client takes additional position based on Margin available as per above.
When market become volatile, they liquidate clients position based on margin availability/requirement as per the following calculations:
Clients Funds-(span Margin+exposure margin).
In this calculation, suddenly Rs. X lakhs are withdrawn,which was the premium for writing options. So far this amount is shown included in clients margin for taking additional position. This sudden change in the basis of margin calculation is the bone of contention.
Lot of guys have supported Zerodha's position in this respect. I do not understand "How can it be supported ?" How do they expect a client to dream that some funds available so far towards margin is not available today--a special day of Zerodha. MY POINT IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE POLICY FOR ALL DAYS SHOULD NOT VARY AT THE SWEETWILL OF BROKER.

Some people have said outright that it amounts to pyramiding and hence should not be allowed. Firstly it is not the issue whether it is pyramiding or not. Issue is "uniform policy for calculation of margin requirement.
If you are interested in knowing more on the subject, you can send me an e-mail at ravindera_kumar @yahoo.com.

Thank you,
 
Ravi is open to have the discussion out here in the open forum and Zerodha doesn't feel comfortable doing so...

100 free trades... i.e., 2000/- How much he lost by liquidating his position???

Based on the numbers Arcus gave with regards to margin, and Zerodha's sample scenario (3 lakh capital and 4 lakh premium received) it seems like Zerodha wouldn't be in a position to pay from their pocket if there was any loss even after 200 point gap open (approx) that happened on 19th Sep (that was the date RAVI took up this issue).

It's better if Zerodha clarifies it here...
Hi nac,
All of us know that option writing is risky business. I am an oil trader,which is far more riskier. It is not the question of losing or gaining. Question is ,"are you being cheated by your broker?

In this particular,The reply is "YES"
My point is (1) Why margin Calculation basis were changed on 19th September,2013 ?
(2) When policy is to liquidate positions only after 3.10 pm ,then why was it done at 2.44 pm.
Though it is not relevant but for your informations, the call options that Zerodha liquidated expired worthless on 26th September,2013
Thank you,
 

nac

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I pretty much think that RAVI is the victim here...

Ravi, Why don't you take this issue to the regulatory authority? You don't have to take up that as a full time job. You are taking your time to spend here in the forum about the issue. You can very much take them to file a complaint.
 
ravi,
i would appreciate if you could let know the names of the broker firm you have moved to. curious .. tht's all.
I am with this broker for last 4 years. Never had a problem with him. Not even once. I was a fool to open my account with Zerodha just because of brokerage. In two incidences with Zerodha-- one in May and second now, I have lost equivalent to next 1000 years of brokerage difference.
When you decide to change your broker,let me know.
 

nac

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My point is (1) Why margin Calculation basis were changed on 19th September,2013 ?
Yes, I understand that...

Zerodha agreed the policy based on which your position was liquidated was not in the RMS policy. In return, they are offering free trade worth 2000/- When they are accepting that it was their fault, why not compensating the loss by settling the amount of loss incurred by RAVI due to liquidating.

I don't know whether Zerodha would agree to take this as compensation if they are in RAVI's position.
 

arcus

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Ravi1956, since you are feeling so cheated, why don't you tell us exactly what actually happened.

1) What trades did you take?

2) How much money was there in your account?

Optionally, you could post the screenshots of your contract notes. (you can remove your details and post the screenshot).
 

shekharinvest

Well-Known Member
Hi tradetolearn,
I do not......

Lot of guys have supported Zerodha's position in this respect. I do not understand "How can it be supported ?" How do they expect a client to dream that some funds available so far towards margin is not available today--a special day of Zerodha. MY POINT IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE POLICY FOR ALL DAYS SHOULD NOT VARY AT THE SWEETWILL OF BROKER.

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Thank you,
Zerodha,

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Closing positions without warning is what disturbs me.


We still continue to support although already raised a red flag.
 

arcus

Well-Known Member
Ravi1952, this is also not the first time you have been cheated.

You were cheated by Sharekhan before

1) You have had problems with Religare and here

2) You then had problem with Sharekhan and here

3) Then you had problem with Angel broking

4) Then you think BMA is a cheat and here

5) Now Zerodha has "cheated" you.

Since you think 5 brokers are a cheat and are lousy, why should anyone on this forum trust you?

You have not posted anything on this forum except for your claims that you were cheated by most brokers for the past few years.
 

shekharinvest

Well-Known Member
Ravi1952, this is also not the first time you have been cheated.

You were cheated by Sharekhan before

1) You have had problems with Religare and here

2) You then had problem with Sharekhan and here

3) Then you had problem with Angel broking

4) Then you think BMA is a cheat and here

5) Now Zerodha has "cheated" you.

Since you think 5 brokers are a cheat and are lousy, why should anyone on this forum trust you?

You have not posted anything on this forum except for your claims that you were cheated by most brokers for the past few years.
OMG ! He made us believe that he had been trading in the USA.
 

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