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ag_fx

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#31
Thats cool! Even if I would have asked Market Wizards like Jesse Livemore, he would have said the same thing like you have actually said:). But what I meant was if you have beeen chosen by a firm to trade their money then you gott2 have something which seperates me and you. In general a pros working for a firm are given a set of target each month or week, say for example (risk management parameter taken from xyz company)
Daily Stop is 20 Price Increments.
Daily Target is 25 Price Increments.
Trading Limit Decrease Amount is 60 Price Increments.
Account Target (within 10 days)is 80 Price Increments
Account clip sizes are usually increased if the targets are met consistently and in case of target not achieved then clip size is decreased and consistency leads to disciplinary action or account termination

The above example clearly states that how much pressure a trader can have if he/she looses track of their own discipline.. so this environment naturally pushes an individual traders skill beyond imagination if I am not wrong. i have also seen most of the prop traders are scalpers and one has to be more skillful than a swing positional traders.
Can I ask you what type of account target and environment you have, by giving an insight all we retail traders can benefit by implementing those ideas and rules to ourselves, we ain't gotta a BOSS we gott2 be our own, for good and bad:)
Cheers!
OMG...Jesse Livemore.....What a comparison...Thanks...But i am no where close to him dude.....Lots of things to leanr...large distance to cover..

I wanna make something clear here....I am not actually a Prop Trader with ICICI. Though, a part of my job involves prop trading too, but we have a complete seperate group for prop trading...The guys out there have multiple years of exp...having said that, the entry to that group can be made through the profile that I am working on....But as of now, I am not a full flegded prop trader...here is a small difference:
1)If My trading limit for trading any currency pair is 50 mio.....That is at the max I can take a position of 50 mio for the bank...A prop trader has a limit which is at least 4 times mine...
2)I can only take intraday positions...A prop trader is allowed to keep positions open overnight....
3)I am mainly a market maker for some of the other deptts of the bank..primarily those which face the client....you may wanna google INTERBANK DESK and understand the real role....
4) as said above...entry to the prop group can be gained only by consistency and spending time in my current role and having a green PnL book.

So in effect, I am on a pseudo Trading Floor...i do trade, I am allowed to trade, but with quite some restrictions as I am still pretty young in the game!

And ash..just a fact for you..I am younger than u in age.. :)
That might help n tell you how much of an amateur am I :)

Happy Trading
 

ash.paul

Active Member
#32
1)If My trading limit for trading any currency pair is 50 mio.....That is at the max I can take a position of 50 mio for the bank...A prop trader has a limit which is at least 4 times mine...
OIC:) Thanks for the info. BTW what does mio stands for, sorry havent came across this word.
Good luck Ankit with your learning, I am sure you will make it into prop desk just stick with your goal thats all I can say. Cheers!
 

ag_fx

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#33
OIC:) Thanks for the info. BTW what does mio stands for, sorry havent came across this word.
Good luck Ankit with your learning, I am sure you will make it into prop desk just stick with your goal thats all I can say. Cheers!


Ohh Mio==Million :) dats an interbank lingo...

Best to you too for all your trading future...Stay in Touch!

Thanks

Happy Trading
 
#34
@ yasir
i have been trading since 4+ years and have attained profitability since last year. May i know your offer? i will mail you.

Thanks Laksh for the references. i will definately contact them.

@Ankit
i have my own trading system which i would like to use. May i know your email address? i will contact you.

You guys are very helpful. i really appreciate it! Thanks a lot!
 

ag_fx

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#35
@Ankit
i have my own trading system which i would like to use. May i know your email address? i will contact you.

You guys are very helpful. i really appreciate it! Thanks a lot!
onlinetrader...post ur email address here...gmail if possible...i will mail u

Happy Trading
 
#36
thanku sir you really burst out the negativity out of ankit!!!!!!!

sir if u can help in arbitrage field also

i wanna know who can train a novice like me in arbitrage.

currently i am working in karvy knows basics of trading not all but significant sir if u can give the name of brokers or directly can help me?

plz i will b very thankful to u

hope to hear u soon
 

ag_fx

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#37
Hi Ankit Ji ,

I am new in the Share Market and wants to do the Arbitrage in NSE and BSE terminal
on the Profit sharing basis .. Could you please guide me where should I start with
Pls Do reply my email id is [email protected]
Try looking for a job at a brokerage house which engages in Arbitrage. No one will pay you a profuit cut untill and unless you prove yourself as a good trader.
I guess Edelweiss has an arbitrage desk. See if you can find more such desks. I am not too much into arbitrage, so cant really help that much.
 
#38
I myself work for ICICI as a Forex trader...I also know some guys who work on prop desks for trading Indian markets.

Here are some of my observations:

1) If you are a fresher, you ought to have some trading disciplines and strategies to work with. If you have neither, the payout structure would be less initially. some comapnies might train you basic trading, and then leave you out in open to trade. upon satisfactory performance, you are given raises in various forms.

2) If you have an established track record, you can find a better monthly salary plus a higher cut in the profits. The advantage of working with such a firm is that you get huge exposure limits. And if your trading style suits the company, you do make a killing.

3) its better to work for start up or new prop desks....If you are confident, this will take you a long way. However, it may suit people only with previous track record.

4) payout structure is generaly a fixed salary plus a cut in the profits that you make. usualy the profit payout is quaterly or half yearly.This helps the firm to net off your losses as much as possible. As you grow, the fixed salary and the profit cut, both increase. Also, some companies increase your trading limits. Thus, even with the same percentage returns on the capital that you wud trade, you wud make more money to your pocket.



i do know some friends in the prop desk for indian markets. i may be able to help you, if you can detail about yourself.

Happy Trading
Ankit
Hi Ankit its bharath here. I was going through your post regarding properitary trading. I am very much interested in getting into properitary trading firm. Could u please guide me regarding the same. I have developed a s few systems for day trading indian stock markets.I am not from commerce background . i have cleared NCfm modules on derivative.
 

ag_fx

Well-Known Member
#39
Hi Ankit its bharath here. I was going through your post regarding properitary trading. I am very much interested in getting into properitary trading firm. Could u please guide me regarding the same. I have developed a s few systems for day trading indian stock markets.I am not from commerce background . i have cleared NCfm modules on derivative.

Have you traded them Live in the market? Developing a system is something different, paper trading it is somethign different and real live tradng is something different.
 
#40
Re: Day trading systems

Hi there,
I have tried them in the market.They work perfectly fine. Its a very simple system very easy to understand and follow. i have 2-3 kinds of systems which i have developed. One based on average . one for momentum trading based on days price and other based on previous days data. I am looking to write a scanning program for momentum based system. the momentum based system works with almost 90% accuracy. Only problem is scanning. Since its not a traditional method of analysis there is no software in market which has the scaaning criteria. The stop loss is 1/2% and sometimes 1% and profits in range of 3-5 percent. i would really appreciate if you can help me. you can also contact me at bharath013 at gmail.
 

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